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How Do We Know If Obama Is Christian? - Comments (10)

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Author: John Malone
Date: 20th August, 2010 @ 07:24:51 AM

Due to the controversy surrounding the faith of Barack Obama, a.k.a. Barry Soetoro, a.k.a. POTUS, the subject arises of how can we know if someone is a Christian or not.

Listening to the pundits, such as Rush Limbaugh, the matter becomes more confusing, not less. For instance, yesterday Limbaugh was citing a poll that fewer and fewer Americans believe Obama is a Christian, and more and more of them think he is a Muslim. Today, Limbaugh is claiming that President Clinton was very obviously a Christian. This coming from a guy that couldn’t tell you the second thing about “Christian,” and yet Christians listen to him far more than they do their own preachers.

I seem to remember that, during the campaign of 2008, the subject of Obama’s Christianity arose. Now, In American politics, the quality of someone’s Christian faith doesn’t really arise in large public discussions. All sorts of sectarian church memberships are accepted as Christian, and pretty much that is that. President Reagan ran as a Christian, and then stories emerged that he became one after he was shot. President Bush was accorded Christian standing on the basis of his Episcopalian church affiliation, and became better known when he claimed in the public debates that Jesus Christ was the most influential person to him because “He changed my life.” Nixon was a Quaker. Kennedy was Catholic. And so forth.

If I remember correctly, the question of Obama’s Christianity arose at the time of the Iowa caucuses, and our own Nebraska Senator former Governor Ben Nelson stepped up to certify to us that Obama was a Christian. Forget for the moment that Nelson’s Christian credentials in Nebraska come as a surprise to many of us. Among Christian circles in which I have moved in Omaha, Nelson has ridden in on the Christian coattails of politically and socially ambitious Christian women, one of whom has made her “Christian career” to accept Roman Catholics into Bible-teaching churches, even to the point of placing them occasionally in the pulpit.

So, from my view, Obama’s Christian testimony comes from someone – a US Senator! – whose Christian testimony comes from a woman that I know, and her friends, who will admit anyone that says, “I believe in God, and I am a Christian” to actually be a Christian.

Now my standard of Christian testimony is no narrower than the Bible’s. When Jesus asked his disciples who people said He was, and then who THEY said He was, Peter answered simply, and correctly. When Jesus told Martha, at the occasion of her brother Lazarus’ death and subsequent resurrection from the dead, that He is “the resurrection, and the life,” she correctly answered him , just as Peter did.

I have traveled Obama’s fatherland extensively, having been involved in Kenya as a business man and preacher for above 17 years now. During the campaign, while I was in Kenya, every man-Njoroge of them believed Obama was a Kenyan. They did not understand the unique provision in US constitutional law concerning natural birth. In fact, in public marketplaces, unknown Kenyans would come up to me, and simply shout “OBAMA!” into my face. They named large beers after him. In the US, you may run down to the nearby gas station or convenient mart for a “40.” In Kenyan bars, and slums, guys were knocking down “Obamas.” Beyond merely being Kenyan, Obama is regarded there as a Luo. In fact, after the US-supported (some even say sponsored) referendum to alter the Kenyan constitution – held on Obama’s birthday – Obama is qualified to be the President of Kenya. While there is no question about that, questions still linger whether he’s qualified by his birth, or even citizenship, to be President of the United States.

Obama is no doubt beholding to his Luo tribesmen, who at the very least can be expected to get his back if anyone besides Jerome Corsi travels there to investigate. Corsi was thrown out of the country. During the Kenyan elections, when the controversy arose concerning rigged results, it was the US that pressed Luo “cousin” Raila Odinga – a physically powerful man who loves race cars, was trained in Russia, and for years was rumored to be “KGB” – into a hastily created “Prime Minister” position in order to give the second largest tribe in Kenya a stake in the government, devolve the Kenyan presidency, and satisfy the militant Luo political forces which threatened to set the nation ablaze after Mwai Kibaki’s rigging-stained “election.”

Odinga’s supporters insist to this day he won the election. He was aided and abetted in his campaign not only by Obama visits, but by the political strategies designed by Dick Morris. Morris seems to pose these days as if conservative, but it puzzles me because he was a chief Clinton strategist. Well, he’s yesterday’s liberal, so I suppose now he IS a conservative.

It’s amazing to me that, in America, the most powerful nation on earth, we are being served up consecutive Democratic Presidents with questionable parentages. What a coincidence. What an anomaly. Who would have ever guessed?

But Obama’s US citizenship credentials are only disturbing at an earthly level. We who study the Scriptures understand that in the times we live, there will be all sorts of problematic people running about in our times, even including traitors in the list.

His credentials as a Christian are far, far more suspect, but much more easily sorted out. There must be some kind of profession of faith in Jesus Christ. That’s the credential, and the only credential. That profession is not about whether or not one is “Christian.” Other people called believers “Christians.” Christians professed the Lord Jesus Christ for Who He is. Historically, that is done in Christian baptism.

We know Obama was born to a Kenyan father. Reportedly, he was a Muslim, even if a nominal one. I was born to a Roman Catholic father, ad adult “convert” who had no faith, and joined that organization to make my mom and her family happy. That organization inducted me into its membership by way of infant christening, and from there I was indoctrinated in the Roman Catholic religion. I don’t know anything about Muslim rites at birth, but I understand if you’re born to a Muslim father, you’re accepted as a Muslim, at least by them. Then, Obama was reportedly later adopted as Barry Soetoro, and was indoctrinated in Islam. In my case, I became a Christian – by profession alone – in 1975. I was immersed in water a couple of years later, making a public statement of my faith before assembled witnesses.

Does Obama have a baptism record of any kind? Someone had to be watching his baptism, if indeed he was baptized. “Barack Obama, have you been baptized since you believed?” Obama’s home church, Trinity United Church of Christ, is affiliated with the United Church of Christ, which has a relatively stringent view of adult baptism, requiring as they do the recitation and belief of the Apostle’s Creed. At Easter time, they ask their members to recite it. I understand Obama can recite in clear Arabic whatever one of the five “prayers” are that Muslims recite daily. I wonder if he would recite the Apostle’s Creed, like any good UCC member would do?

I find it very interesting that Obama’s home church is just now featuring former Omaha Salem Baptist Church pastor Maurice Watson on their web site. While I was not happy to learn of Watson’s Jesuit training at Creighton University, when I asked him directly about his faith not so many years ago, he was quick to tell me that, concerning salvation, he believed in “sola fide (faith alone)” and “sola scriptura (Scripture alone).” That’s not too far from the very solid “Grace alone by faith alone in Christ alone.” Watson conducted “revival” meetings at Obama’a former home church.

So Trinity (Chicago) UCC at least welcomes someone whose first thought is not “Liberation Theology,” which, by the way, has its roots in Jesuit teaching. Large churches like Chicago’s Trinity are a complex mix within their congregations. No black church in America can long even call itself “Christian,” and feature ONLY the kind of politically charged preaching of a Jeremiah Wright, or a Jesse Jackson, or a Martin Luther King, Jr. Nevertheless, this particular church, where, let’s face it, people like Barack Obama probably had only the most tangential attachment, is thoroughly imbued with eth leaven of Herod, and therefore has as its primary focus not the Scriptures of God, but the plans and political strategies of men.

Just like large churches that are predominately white, large black churches that appeal to the growing black middle and upper middle classes feature a jumbled mess of doctrine, and a thorny mix of saved and lost.

If Obama is Christian, he has something of the kind of experience of faith in Christ that all Christians have. “Once I was lost, now I’m found.” It would be nice to trace it out historically. People should ask him plainly when he first made a profession of faith in Christ, and if he was baptized, when and where. Simple questions, and easy answers for a Christian. But if that’s too complex, and he has fuzzy recollections, or lack of knowledge, that’s still no problem.

Someone should just ask him the simple question posed to Peter by Jesus Christ: “Who do YOU say that I am?” That will settle the whole issue.

Will someone ask him? I doubt it.

Comment by Antoinette Washington » 14th October, 2010 @ 07:32:04 AM

Hi I logged on this site to get some lessons just to enlighten myself about the word because no man is an island unto himself. What is the big issue about Obama being a christian there has never in the history and course of Presidencey has there been so much talk about this man and how he runs the country. In the bible and throughout there were leader and rulers some who were believers and some not. We as CHRISTIANS are to pray for those who rule over us.
I seriously believe some of us are looking at the color instead of praying for the man to do the right things. He is a human being bleeds and will make mistakes because of the sin like nature of all mankind. All should go by the leading of the Holy Spirit and pray for this professed christian brother. Pray he makes honest decisions that will help not hinder this country. The world is looking at how we tear down and fight against the very man we put into office. Prayer changes things it says so in the bible and it has in my life too. Look at the man who tried to curse the Isrealites
he could only bless them. Lets speak positive things into our Presidents and his family life. Let us ask the Holy Spirit to lay on our heart the words to speak into his life that could be nation changing,also draw him and his family closer to the Lord. Pray that he will encounter godly men that will encourage him to be intouch with the leading of the Holy Spirit. When we publicly profess our faith and its a lie God is the one who has the last say so who are we to judge and say he is not saved or does not believe. Judge not least you be judge. I will continue to pray for everyone who is in office in this country no matter the color of his skin wether I like them or not. From another professing believing Christian. I was brought up Catholic then converted Iam now with a non denominational church the word of God is preached its not about the church because we are the church its about what is preached Jesus born of a virgin, died on the cross for our sins, arose the third day,and coming back for his bride (church) and to rule and reign over earth 1000 years. You know tree by its fruits.

Comment by Bible Study » 17th December, 2010 @ 01:17:53 PM

I think it takes a little more than just saying Jesus is the Christ with the mouth. The bible says that many honor God with their lips, but their heart is far from him. Even the devils believe and trimble. Does Obama support abortion, the killing of unborn babies? The bible says that we “shalt not kill”, and again “if we say we know God and keep not his commandments, we are a liar and the truth is not in us” (1 John). Someone should ask him if he keeps God’s commandments. This would show if he was chrsitian or not.

Comment by milton bonet » 23rd December, 2010 @ 10:57:00 PM

this is an extremely late post on this subject,but the only thing left out was the point at the beginning, it is politics. The Bible instructs us to “pray for those in positions of authority” So Therefore “it is not for you to judge”

thanks

Comment by robert » 10th February, 2011 @ 10:11:58 AM

seems like everyone goes on the offensive when you call it like you see it…you arent judging anyone, but dosent the bible tell us to know those that labor among us? If he is claiming to be a christian, he should start acting like one and quit giving us a bad name.

Comment by Seila Saphon » 9th April, 2011 @ 10:03:13 AM

i think this is a controversy talk, yes we are not the one who judge others, not only the authorities, but when there is a criticism come out of mouth or mind we should think and consider and and starting to change our way in this recent day. Means we learn others mistake and criticism to direct our own way.

Comment by Concerned Christian » 23rd December, 2011 @ 12:15:38 AM

We need to first show respect and call him President Barack Obama. Whether you agree with his views or not, he is our president.

Comment by John Malone » 16th February, 2012 @ 01:09:49 PM

Some of us would like some verification that he is not holding the office illegally.

Comment by Muffy » 2nd March, 2012 @ 12:15:32 AM

The President’s birth certificate is as real as yours is and mine is. And if it isn’t and if you truly believed that this world is NOT our home, you would STOP obsessing about it and STOP worrying about it. Some of us are just a little bit TOO comfortable here in this earthly home with all its sectarian laws and man-made regulations. And the U.S. Constitution is NOT the Bible, neither is is divinely inspired! Sometimes we behave as if we’re going to spend eternity HERE on earth. We need to keep our eyes on the bigger prize…the bigger picture: our HEAVENLY home. If Christ came back today, would you seriously be thinking about whether the President’s birth certificate is real or fake? And since none of us knows exactly WHEN Christ is coming back, we should treat each day here on earth as if it were our last because ONE day, it will be.

This is supposed to be a Christian forum yet SOME (though certainly not all) of the bloggers here appear to be just as superficial in their religious service as the Pharisees and the Sadducees were in theirs. If I WERE looking for real spiritual enlightenment, this website would not be the place that I would turn to, nor would I ever refer anyone else to it. It(meaning the subject matter and view of some)reminds me of the scripture which says: “This people honors me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. But in vain do they worship me teaching as doctrine the commandments of men”.

We can fool mankind all day and everyday about how pious we are and MAYBE just MAYBE we can even get away with it among smaller circles of readers who are perhaps of a similar mindset. Personally speaking, when I read some of the comments on this blog, I sense hatred of the utmost and clearest transparency…not Christianity.

But I take great comfort in this scriptural fact…we cannot fool CHRIST because He knows the core and the true motivation of each of our hearts and is keeping track of what types of seeds we are actually sowing through the deeds we do that comprise our everyday lives. If we’re sowing bad seeds of closet or open hatred, disguised or blatant intolerance, and/or secret or brazened prejudices, this is EXACTLY what we ourselves will reap either in this life or in the life to come…precisely because God SAID that we will, and He cannot lie.

You cannot plant an apple seed and get a pear tree no matter how hard you try. Likewise, you cannot plant a seed of intolerance and/or prejudice and get tolerance and justice. But rather, planting just ONE seed of intolerance and prejudice will result in reaping a huge crop of intolerances and prejudices. In fact, that little sapling intolerance and prejudice tree you planted this year will next year be an even bigger intolerance and prejudice tree with deeper roots which will continue to produce an even bigger crop of more and more toxic fruit with each passing season.

So, even if President Obama WERE in the office “illegally” (and I do not believe that he is), relax and let GOD handle the situations of this world…and then trust that He will. In the end everyone, believer and non-believer alike, will have to give an account of his/her own individual deeds whether good or evil…you will, I will, and President Obama will, too. Nobody can or will escape the judgement. God is no respecter of persons neither in salvation nor in judgement. Therefore in the meantime, work while it is day (meaning while you are still alive and breathing)! And sow as many GOOD seeds as you can. Work out your OWN soul salvation with fear and trembling and let President Obama, Rush Limbaugh, and “Sally” and “Jim” and “Betty” and “Frank”, etc. work out their own soul salvation too!

Oh, and one more thing…there is no such thing as “big sin” or “little sin” in God’s eyes. He hates ALL sin and does not consider sin in degrees as we do. He hates what we term the “little sins” (of say, prejudice, intolerance, hatred, bigotry, slandering, white lies), just as much as the ones we call “big sins” (of say, abortion, murder, blasphemy, idolatry). But where the mindset of ordinary mankind differs from the mindset of the Almighty God–God truly forgives us of both big and little sins equally if we sincerely repent, and then He remembers those sins no more. We, on the other hand, only PRETEND to love and forgive, but then set out to destroy each other by engaging in hateful witchhunts against one another…dressed proudly in our wardrobes of pretentious “Christianity” and “self-righteousness”. We behave just like wolves in sheeps clothing.

So be very careful how far you take your personal witchhunt campaigns against not only President Obama, but every other individual as well, lest you lose your very OWN soul in the process. And what can you give in exchange for your soul? Be VERY careful.

I am a member of the Church of Christ
Salute one another with a Holy Kiss, the Churches of Christ salute you. (Romans 16:16).

Comment by Pam » 3rd March, 2012 @ 03:18:09 AM

the writer of this post has some very good points when checking spirit against spirit but the tone of the passage seems to me to be racist. not only in the color of someone’s skin but in the nature of racism. it sounds a bit judgmental as well. what does it matter if he’s a believer or a non believer? He’s a politician, he has to mix what he believes with somethings he more than likely despises. it’s all about votes.
Then we have bloggers here speaking of his citizenship, it’s unbelievable. This is a place i came to to find some biblical studies and i find sin all over the place in this passage and from the bloggers. We need to keep looking up and not around us. We pray for the believers and unbelievers, that’s what we are commanded to do. We are suppose to be soldiers in God’s army which is in the spiritual realm not this earthly realm. We pray for the people and situations around us.
We are the salt and the light of the earth. Allow your light to shine to all mankind not just your kind. that’s not how it’s suppose to be. All the work that you do in the Body of Christ doesn’t mean anything if it’s not done out of pure genuine love. Love is the greatest gift of all people.

Comment by Helen » 23rd March, 2012 @ 11:14:36 AM

I think it all comes down to What does his fruit show. Does it show living fruit or is the fruit dead. Just watch what he votes for and what he supports. And PRAY….. Pray that God allows America to vote in a candidate who glorifies Him. Most of all no one is perfect. Everyone makes mistakes. But only God can turn this nation around!

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